End of an era ... I have installed fibe internet from Bell and the speeds are mind-blowing.
To be fair, Rogers was doing what they could with the speeds on cable. I was consistently getting about 940mbps down and recently about 50mbps up. However, at peak times, television was getting pretty jittery, which is deeply frustrating. Luckily, it was not all that often, but in the end the death knell sounded when Bell installed fibe into the neighbourhood. The guys going door to door did the obvious, which was to offer decent discounts for faster service, saving me something like 5 grand over the next 2 years. That was impressive enough, but having vast upload speeds changes all sorts of things, including cloud backups and video calls.
So I bit the bullet a couple of weeks ago, and after a few install glitches caused by an installer being reticent about trying to fish wire through a newly finished basement ceiling, a second was much more willing to help me fish using a technique I had pondered for several days. So I was up and running late last week. But I waited until the weekend to switch everything over and it went swimmingly. Even the Google and Alexa boxes all came back up without a hitch to talk on a completely different IP range. And the speed .... breathtaking.
So it is the end of the Rogers Ignite era for me. Read on if the history of this journey interests you at all ...
18 May 2023
Ok ... I said that the last update was final. But I thought I would discuss briefly our Bell Fibe experience. First, the speeds are nuts.
The Fibe TV is ok, but I must say that the search mechanism is brutal. It gives you results from YouTube only without searching their programming on Fibe. Rogers has them beat hands down. On the other hand, the picture is very nice (although probably not any better than Rogers).
And there is one other thing we do not like. The router we have inexplicably drops from just under 1gbps to between 20 and 50mbps and stays there until we reboot. This happens every few weeks and I loathe the behavior. I will be calling Bell for a replacement soon. But other than that, it's pretty great.
The way to read this post is to realize that each blockquote below is one generation of the article older. Basically, I jumped to Ignite a long time ago with their 60Mbps service and was very happy. It always performed higher than I paid for. This was also true for 250u (with the "u" standing for unlimited caps I believe). I upgraded to 500u as the result of one of those rejigging of my plan in order to qualify for more "legacy" discounts. And finally, the same process caused me to advance to the Gigabit service. The 500u and Gigabit services do not outperform the stated numbers, but they are right in the ballpark, so one cannot really complain. My latest measurements using speedtest are at the bottom of the article if you are impatient. If you want to see my trials and tribulations, then read on :-)
For those who may have noticed a drop in their speeds on the legacy 250u service -- and especially upload speeds -- lately, there is a fix. If you are eligible, have Rogers swap your older model for the new Gigabit modem. This restores your previous speeds because they changed the protocols, which in my case dropped my upload speeds to the lower amount og the nearest plans (because that's all the older modems are now capable of). My speeds came back to what I pay for immediately. Scroll down to the Aug-Sep time frame for 2017 to see what I mean.
It turns out that the new Rogers IGNITE bundles are the smokin’ deal of the century. I had the Hybrid Fiber 60 plan with the addition of unlimited bandwidth and the basic modem rental, which at the time was a pretty excellent deal as I documented ad nauseum here: https://kimletkeman.blogspot.ca/2014/07/rogers-high-speed-internet-hybrid-fiber.html
Edit: I’m not so sure about the quality of the deal I am getting. The prices have gone through the roof and I will have to call Rogers to threaten to leave again just to get some relief. This is the most tiresome aspect of letting the big network lobby set policies indirectly.
When I noticed that the Internet packages had changed, I checked out the availability in my neighbourhood and found that I could get all the packages for the first time! AND the cost of the 250u package is actually lower than what I was paying already, since it includes unlimited bandwidth and the advanced modem rental already. And that modem is the new Rocket modem, which I have to say is the fastest thing I have ever seen.
So far that the 250Mbps is actually over 300Mbps …
I cannot say enough about this package … the price is right and the speed is staggering ….
What the heck are you waiting for?
(And yes, it’s not cheap … but the value is immense.)
19 April – Just in case it was a fluke, I thought maybe I should test it again … and …
Wow …
21 April – Noon time … just checking how daytime speeds hold up. Pretty well, I have to say
13 May 2015
We had a major Internet outage yesterday, which turned out to be the cable burying crew come buy to finish the replacement of the cable from the green box in a neighbour’s back yard. This took about 20m and everything went back to normal, which is to say … amazing.
That is effectively a tie with my fastest ever result … and it cam in the middle of the afternoon when I tested to see if there was a reason for a long write cycle for a small bit of data on a mail server. Well, not at my end :-)
I can’t stress enough how absolutely incredible these speeds are. and for basically what I used to pay for 1/4 the download speed.
30 August 2015
After several days of difficulties, where the upload speeds were between 9 and 11, I finally got a good run with the Telus server in Toronto. The server in Kanata, which is only 5 miles from here, is a total dog. The one at Nexicom, which used to be my favourite, seems to have limits of 11Mbps upload … so Telus is it …
20 October 2015
It's been a while since I tested and I must admit that I am always surprised
at how fast this service is day to day. Still loving it ...
27 November 2015
Both Kanata and Toronto are fast these days …
6 July 2016 – Mid day … the highest speeds in both directions that I have ever recorded!!
Rogers is not sitting on their laurels …
2 August 2016
Having problems today. Using the Telus site in Toronto, I can get good download speeds, but upload speed sucks on every site today. Will be calling them when I get a moment …
6 August 2016
The performance of our 250u Ignite is in the literal toilet. This is 10:36pm on a Saturday evening. WTAF?
The issue has been going on now for a month, of which I was away from home for 75% of the time. I finally had time to complain to Rogers at the end of last week. They sent me an email yesterday apologizing for a delay in fixing the issue. I tested the link today just for S&Gs and the result was better on the download side -- 330 mb/s and very quick jump to that speed, but the upload side peaked at 11 mb/s, which is about half what I pay for. It too was smooth in its acceleration curve, which is a big improvement over a few weeks ago. So here's hoping they get it together soon.
And finally, it is fixed as of 14 September 2016!
After 6 weeks in performance purgatory, Rogers has fixed my line. Note that they did not send a final email indicating that the issue is fixed, but I noticed this morning that web performance had low latencies for the first time in a while, so I tested performance using my favourite server (Telus in Toronto.) And the results are again magnificent.
The moral of the story is of course to test now and again and stay on top of Rogers to maintain their excellent speeds. If something feels wrong, it probably is.
Two weeks later, on 28 September 2016 …
Can’t complain about that …
21 October 2016
Still tracking the highest possible speeds. Looking good.
28 August 2017 -- 8 September 2017
Rogers is performing extremely poorly again. It is 3:16am on 28 August 2017
and the internet should be flying. But it is barely crawling when measured
against my usual 320Mbps download and 21Mbps upload speeds. Sigh.
I ran it three times this morning and it recorded 320, 309 and now 293Mbps
down. Of course, we are at the peak demand time right now for businesses in
Toronto, so I cannot judge my usual speeds by this. Suffice it to say that the
download speed is well within the norms of what I expect from Rogers. But the
upload remains locked at 11Mbps, which tells me that this is no accident.
Someone has downgraded my account for the second time in a year. This is
really irritating.
And it is finally fixed. As you may have read in the block quote at the top of
the article, speeds dropped when Rogers changed the plans and the modems,
introducing the Gigabit modem for the super high speeds. I now have the speeds
I pay for once again and remain very pleased with 250u.
Ignite 500u
A new era … I got this because my loyalty package would have costs pretty much the same as my now-defunct 250u.
First test:
<cough> Holy shit!
29 Jan 2018
I’ve not been overwhelmed by the performance of this link. It is fast, no doubt, but it is not really any faster than 250u was before they changed everything to accommodate the new GB modems.
This is actually a bit slower than it used to be under 250u, and this result is fairly typical of the best servers, with most servers not getting to these numbers. So I have to say that real-world performance of 500u is fairly disappointing.
Of course, if I want to get my jollies, I can always just go back to Rogers’ own speed demon test, which confirms that their own network can sustain ultra-speeds. After all, with net neutrality under attack, ISPs will be the last domain pf pure, unfettered speeds.
Interestingly, Rogers’ own network cannot quite match the upload speeds of the real-world, but their download speeds double the real-world. If only I could do all my computing on Rogers’ own network.
14 February 2018 – Valentine’s Day
Perhaps it is fitting that Rogers is spreading some love on this particular day with speeds that are starting to look like those I have been paying for …
Now that’s looking like a serious connection speed …
25 April 2018
I just installed a new TP-Link AC2300 router to replace my aging Airport Extreme. This new router has many new and powerful features, including 3x3 MU-MIMO for 3 independent streams to the router (with appropriate adapters of course) and the AC standard, which offers better performance over wifi with longer reach and stronger connections. But what I did not expect was the better wired performance. Wow …
This is my Macbook Pro wired …
These speeds come and they go, but I am really pleased with this kind of performance.
29 August 2018
Back from holiday and was curious as to how things were running. Cannot say that I am disappointed, but it would be nice to get what I pay for more often. Still, this is fast …
7 January 2019
I had so much trouble this morning – terrible speeds (30mbps down, 10 up) and things looked bleak on all my machines. So I performed an update to the modem, which means unplugging and waiting 30s then plugging in again. After it came back up (and there was a delay that I think indicates that it received a new build) I rebooted my external WiFi router as well and then went upstairs to test. I connected to my main machine – Megapixel – which is a decently fast machine with excellent hard wired networking. And I finally got what I am paying for after years of wondering why the speeds were the same as on my old 250u.
I have been seriously contemplating the switch to Bell Fibe networking, which works very well at the office, but my neighbourhood continues to have mediocre speeds, topping out at about 100mbps … which would send me back most of a decade. Anyway, if you are running Rogers and are not happy with your Internet performance, I think it is time to perform a full reset. Remember to wait the 30s as you want the system to notice when you reconnect and to update the cable modem. Best of luck.
17 February 2019
Just sayin’ ….
11 June 2020
So a while I jumped to Gigabit service and Ignite TV. I love both, but the speeds on Gigabit were underwhelming because I was using WiFi as my basement location was busy being renovated. It's not quite complete, but deadlines have forced me back to the basement and I am wired up now with home run CAT7 wiring, so I was finally able to test it. My main Windows box gave me a truly underwhelming 360Mbps give or take, but my Linux box blew me away with a very nice over 800 result. I am very pleased.
12 June 2020
This have settled nicely and I am getting pretty amazing speeds on an older machine running Ubuntu 20.04.
12 June 2020
Bought a nice older HP Prodesk with the capable i5-4590 in it and redistributed the RAM in my older machines so this one has 32GB. It is now my Ubuntu 20 daily driver for development. The speed on this thing (directly wired over CAT-7 is excellent.
Update 6 May 2021
I got a new laptop for a new job. This is the latest M1 13" Macbook Pro with 16GB RAM. To say it is fast is to misinterpret the meaning of fast. The WiFi on it is no doubt the latest generation, and since I am running a monster WiFi 5 router with lots of MIMO, it should do well. And it does ... with massive speed on WiFi while sitting on a desk up in the bedroom.
13 May 2021
20 October 2022
I bought a used machine as an upgrade over my 4790, which will be going to a relative after suitable rebuild and updates. This machine is a Ryzen 3900 12 core beast on an X570 Asus motherboard with 64GB 4000 DDR4. All in all, a serious machine. But the motherboard does not have 2.5G ethernet, so there's that. And the reason I bring this up is that I have one last speedtest to share from Rogers Ignite as I have just ordered Bell Fibe 1.5. If I have to, I will as a PCIE 2.5G ethernet card to get the fast speeds, but I may not worry about it for a while. The fees are vastly lower than my Rogers fees, and even after the 2 year discounts, I will still be saving.
This test was performed in a Chrome window and the results are decent. But I got even faster results (950 down, 50+ up) using the Windows app. But the app sucks in that it does not offer the same copy as link to image facility as the Chrome app. Yet another case of mobile developers coming up a bit short on features. What a shock. Anyway, Rogers has certainly (and quietly) upped their game recently, now that fibe has been run throughout the neighbourhood. But for me it is too little, too late. I will create a new blog post when I have results from Bell Fibe. Stay tuned ... it happens next week and I will post once stability has been achieved.
